ASOP 4
(MEASURING PENSION OBLIGATIONS AND DETERMINING PENSION PLAN COSTS OR CONTRIBUTIONS)
SECTION to Section 3
(COMMENTS & RESPONSES ON SECTION 3 OF THE EXPOSURE DRAFT)

Commentary on Section 3

ASOP 4 | Commentary Section 3.2 | COMMENT ON SECTION 3.2

Section 3.2, General Procedures

Comment	Response
One commentator suggested adding modeling to the list of general procedures, as well as adding a new subsection.	The reviewers disagree on the inclusion of a new subsection but added a reference to ASOP No. 56 in section 3.2.

ASOP 4 | Commentary Section 3.4 | COMMENT ON SECTION 3.4

Section 3.4.3, Adjustments of Prior Measurements

Comment	Response
One commentator suggested changing the last sentence in section 3.4.3 to state, “When adjusting obligations from a prior measurement date, the actuary should consider using revised assumptions to determine the obligations if appropriate for the purpose of the measurement.”	The reviewers agree and modified the language in response to this comment.

ASOP 4 | Commentary Section 3.8 | COMMENT ON SECTION 3.8

Section 3.8, Assumptions

Comment	Response
One commentator suggested the term “assess” in section 3.8 should be clarified to determine whether the combined effect of assumptions significantly conflicts with what would be reasonable.	The reviewers believe the guidance is sufficiently clear and made no change.

ASOP 4 | Commentary Section 3.9 | COMMENT ON SECTION 3.9

Section 3.9, Measuring the Value of Accrued or Vested Benefits

Comment	Response
One commentator recommended section 3.9(g)(3) (expenses associated with a potential plan termination, including transaction costs to liquidate plan assets) and (4) (changes in investment policy) be deleted, changed, or moved to section 3.3.	The reviewers modified the guidance in section 3.9 in response to this comment.

ASOP 4 | Commentary Section 3.10 | COMMENT ON SECTION 3.10

Section 3.10, Market-Consistent Present Values

Comment	Response
One commentator suggested eliminating this section and stated that, if the concept is retained, it should be made clear that ABO and PBO under ASC 715 are likely not market consistent present values.	The reviewers believe the guidance is appropriate and made no change in response to this comment.
One commentator suggested that if section 3.10 is retained, the portion permitting the reflection of payment default risk or the financial health of the sponsor should be eliminated.	The reviewers disagree and made no change in response to this comment.
One commentator stated that in sections 3.10 and 3.11 it is not clear whether “benefits earned as of the valuation date” are the same thing as “accrued benefits” in section 3.9, Measuring the Value of Accrued or Vested Benefits. If so, the ASOP should use the same terminology in all three of these sections. If a distinction is intended, it should be made clear what the difference is.	The reviewers clarified the guidance in section 3.9 in response to this comment.

ASOP 4 | Commentary Section 3.11 | COMMENT ON SECTION 3.11

Section 3.11, Low-Default-Risk Obligation Measure

Comment	Response
Several commentators suggested changing “...should calculate...” to “...should consider calculating...” in first paragraph of section 3.11.	The reviewers disagree and made no change in response to this comment.
Several commentators provided alternative language for the variable annuity plan language in section 3.11.	The reviewers modified the guidance to read, “For purposes of this obligation measure, the actuary should consider reflecting the impact, if any, of investing plan assets in low-default-risk fixed income securities on the pattern of benefits expected to be paid in the future, such as in a variable annuity plan.”
One commentator felt the ASB should include an explanation about why and how including LDROM disclosure provides appropriate and useful information for the intended user for inclusion in all funding valuations.	The reviewers believe the guidance is appropriate and note the transmittal memorandum of the ASOP states, “...this additional disclosure provides a more complete assessment of a plan’s funded status and provides additional information regarding the security of benefits that members have earned as of the measurement date.”
One commentator stated it is not clear what “costs accrued” means in the context of section 3.11.	The reviewers agree and clarified the guidance in response to this comment.
One commentator suggested modifying the language in the fourth paragraph of section 3.11 to state, “When plan provisions create pension obligations that are difficult to appropriately measure using traditional valuation procedures, such as benefits affected by actual investment returns, movements in a market index, or other similar factors, the actuary should consider using alternative valuation procedures such as those described under section 3.5.3, including the use of alternative discount rates if indicated by such procedures, to calculate the low-default-risk obligation measure of those benefits earned or costs accrued as of the measurement date.”	The reviewers disagree and made no change in response to this comment. The reviewers note modifications were made to the fifth paragraph as follows: “For purposes of this obligation measure, the actuary should consider reflecting the impact, if any, of investing plan assets in lowdefault-risk fixed income securities on the pattern of benefits expected to be paid in the future, such as in a variable annuity plan.”

ASOP 4 | Commentary Section 3.14 | COMMENT ON SECTION 3.14

Section 3.14, Amortization Method

Comment	Response
One commentator felt section 3.14 should state that the actuary should “consider” the items listed, not that the actuary should necessarily “take them into account,” as some of them may not be necessary or appropriate to take into account.	The reviewers note that the guidance in section 3.14 states, “the actuary should take into account factors including, but not limited to, the following, if applicable.” Therefore, the reviewers made no change.
One commentator suggested requiring that a reasonable actuarially determined contribution use an amortization method that is designed to fully amortize the unfunded actuarial liability.	The reviewers believe the guidance is appropriate and made no change.

ASOP 4 | Commentary Section 3.17 | COMMENT ON SECTION 3.17

Section 3.17, Allocation Procedure

Comment	Response
One commentator felt section 3.17 should state that the actuary should “consider” the items listed, not that the actuary should necessarily “take them into account,” as some of them may not be necessary or appropriate to take into account (e.g., relevant input from the principal, potentially intergenerational equity).	The reviewers disagree and made no change.

ASOP 4 | Commentary Section 3.19 | COMMENT ON SECTION 3.19

Section 3.19, Implications of Contribution Allocation Procedure or Funding Policy

Comment	Response
One commentator felt the disclosure contemplated in section 3.19(b) should not be required as long as the contribution allocation procedure produces an expected contribution that exceeds normal cost plus interest on the unfunded.	The reviewers believe the guidance is appropriate and made no change. The reviewers note that the guidance states, “For purposes of this section, the actuary may presume that all assumptions will be realized and the plan sponsor (or other contributing entity) will make contributions anticipated by the contribution allocation procedure or funding policy.”
One commentator suggested alternative wording for paragraphs (b), (c), and (d) in section 3.19 to clarify that “contribution” refers to “plan's expected future contributions.”	The reviewers believe the guidance is appropriate and made no change. The reviewers note that the guidance states, “For purposes of this section, the actuary may presume that all assumptions will be realized and the plan sponsor (or other contributing entity) will make contributions anticipated by the contribution allocation procedure or funding policy.”

ASOP 4 | Commentary Section 3.21 | COMMENT ON SECTION 3.21

Section 3.21, Reasonable Actuarially Determined Contribution

Comment	Response
One commentator suggested alternative wording for 3.21(b).	The reviewers agree and modified the language in response to this comment.
One commentator suggested section 3.21(b) should be clarified to allow an entry age normal cost calculation to use “the current plan of benefits for each participant,” for the purposes of determining a reasonable actuarially determined contribution.	The reviewers believe the guidance is appropriate and made no change in response to this comment.

ASOP 4 | Commentary Section 3.22 | COMMENT ON SECTION 3.22

Section 3.22, Gain and Loss Analysis

Comment	Response
In section 3.22, one commentator suggested replacing “single individual” with “limited group of individuals” to provide a more meaningful example.	The reviewers believe the guidance is appropriate and made no change in response to this comment.

ASOP 4 | Commentary Section 3.26 | COMMENT ON SECTION 3.26

Section 3.26, Documentation

Comment	Response
In section 3.26, one commentator felt that the sentence, “In addition, the actuary should refer to ASOP No. 41 for guidance related to the retention of file material other than that which is to be disclosed under section 4” was unnecessary and should be deleted.	The reviewers disagree and made no change.